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Those goddamn vocals.🤬

The genre just was never my thing. I much prefered Thrash and Death Metal.

I started listening to Metal around the time Metalcore was born and spreading. I went from Marilyn Manson to Rammstein, to Sum 41, to Nightwish, to Arch Enemy, and from there I stumbled upon Bullet For My Valentine, and for me it was Metal anyway. I mean, I was listening to a lot of Melodic Death Metal from Sweden, Finland and Norway, so, it wasn't that different! And then Guitar Hero 3 made me discover Killswitch Engage, and I was sold. I'm just pretty sad I jumped on the hate wagon against ''Post-Hardcore'' and Emo stuff when I was finishing High school... Man, I ended up loving those genres too, but I have been a ''purist'' for way too long, it seems... I wish everyone could just be open and positive when it comes to discovering and enjoying art, especially music. Now I'm 31, and maaaaan I enjoy almost every genres, I'm opening myself to other stuff, and I feel so much richer now, not hating on genres for the sole purpose of... Hating 🙄 I've become tolerant and started to find true happiness discovering new stuff! That's the life! There are so many things that are so good out there, it would be a crime not to try listening to them just because ''it's not Metal''

Your emo rap video was litteraly my favorite video haha i love it when you branch out

I absolutely love breaking benjamin, have seen them many many times live, one of the greatest bands of our era rock wise

To some degree I feel like metalcore was kinda subjected to the same sort of “auto-hate” from metal fans that 80’s hair metal bands probably received. I mean the superficial similarities are incontrovertible like the hairstyles and clothing choices. But just like 80’s hair metal, metalcore has definitely stood the test of time and is considered appropriately iconic for its time period as it relates to alternative music.

"Stick Stickly" will forever be iconic. I miss that time so much. Argue with a wall.

Mick Gordon is God.

Been watching for a few years now and this is an awesome channel !👍👍

People hated metal core because the band member looked like gay hipsters, i believe it was more about the looks and image rather than the music, it just didnt fit in real metal

Many dance music artists say your tunes are whack if you use synth presets, and don't craft your sounds yourself. At some point it becomes "Well did you code your DAW yourself? Otherwise it's not real music"

I thought bands like attack attack and of mice & men were actually towards the later end of metalcore. What would you consider a band like underoath if this is metalcore? Because underoath has so much more depth and musicality compared to these bands

The main difference between metalcore and real metal is the scene. I mean metal has a lot of blues influences so would you put Deicide and Buddy Guy on the same tour? Metalcore is a new scene same as punk, hardcore and metal. Some of it combines and some bands attract crowds from all those scenes but its not the same music. Metalcore fans did not grow on Slayer and Autopsy or Mayhem, they probably grew on Blink182 and Attack Attack, their "death metal" is Suicide Silence not Entombed. There's nothing wrong with it but they share almost nothing with metal culture or Punk culture for that matter. Not in the appearance, production of the music, the lyrics, the philosophy behind the music, the message (like many are christians), the writing style. Stealing At the Gates riffs doesnt make you a melodeath metal band. KSE and As I lay Dying is metal, its not Core as I See Stars or Asking Alexandria. Its not gatekeeping its just having ears. I think thats why people hated metalcore. I remember i hated it at first but now i like some of it, doesnt make it metal. You got it right with the boyband attitude and all that. Metal wasnt supposed to be pop (as a music genre), its kinda like a pop metal, same as NU Metal was. It uses the same instruments and distrotion but its a different genre. Nirvana has distortion and screaming they're not metal and nobody tries to put them as a metal band. So why put Of Mice and Men?

wow. LoG is metalcore? proves a college degree is absolutely useless

Finn dude, I absolutely love your channel. I watch your videos & feel like I'm hanging with my best friend back in high school. That's me, I can't speak for everyone else? I know it must be tough trying to please everyone with your content, just keep doin what you been doing? You need to just reset yourself? Go back to the start. Remember that, it might help. Nu- metal videos are the best ones of all time. Anyone who doesn't like it, can drink urine out of a sippie cup. 😂 J/k. Good luck Finn Shout out from South Texas 🤘🏽

Interesting that you mentioned Punks and Metalheads didn´t go along too well back in the day. I remember being at G.B.H. gig 3 days after Cliff Burton died and well, what a pit. Not a single fight broke loose that night. But hey, guess that is only my perspective.

Keep at it man. I've watched plenty of your videos that are about bands and genres that I'm not really into but love hearing about the history of it.

Norma Jean

Can always niche down and just have other channels that would cater to different audience

I loved the sound of metalcore but I hated the look of it and that made a weird conflict inside me

The band I always think of from back when I was a young man that crossed that hardcore and metal line was Biohazard. I was such a fan when I first heard them. It felt like hardcore, metal, and hip hop all blended together. All of which I liked.

Was waiting for the "just hate women" line, it's unfortunate but true often older people mostly men will go put of their way to dislike anything with a mostly female especially teen fan base, not just metal 🥲🥲

I was completely burnt out on heavy music around the time metal core started and aside from a small handful of bands (Candiria, Converge, DEP are the big 3) and old school death metal, I had no idea the genre existed. I only “saw” the genre, never heard it. Unfortunately that also meant that I missed out on OG deathcore. I think I’d have really liked that when it came out.

thanks for all the videos, content and opinions! your work is top notch. Seems like people might only like what they are familiar with but doesnt mean your takes or content is bad. I hope you continue with your channels and dont stop sharing your opinions.

Ah yes, totaly agree with you. Sleep is very important.

Just cover topics you think people want on your second channel and post videos you're more passionate about here. Anyone complaining on this channel will eventually leave as its audience restructures. It will take some time for fresh audience to replace what was lost but it sounds like you really need to do this.

I think its good that Metalcore brings more people, esp. girls into metal. But i still dont like these boyband/pop-range they use to introduce them. Not that its bad or w/e, i just dont like pop. If i want this i just will put on the radio. These Groups have massive skills and creativity, i always enjoy them till the refrain when this always same mimimi starts. so i understand people compare it to edsheeran/justin bieber and so on. And there is a lot of critics, pop industry has to take, esp. of selling themself off and taking no risks. so nearly every popsong sounds the same, and if rly something new comes, everybody hops on so that in between one to two years the shit is more then overused. same to metalcore refrains, sounds nearly always the same, takes the same topics, is for the same clients. and just to clear it out, i dont want to say they are bad, but there is a reason a lot of metal-fans dont like it, and when the reason is, they sound to boyband like they might have a point.

Metalcore is girly pop metal for bros.

These guys singlehandedly defined the public perception of power metal. Everyone equates power metal with long, technical, fast shredding songs specifically because of these guys, when most power metal hasn't been like that since near its inception

Metal core was like the death of the emo/alternative era. So everyone that was still loving those genres naturally didn’t embrace it because it was too dissimilar to evolve into.

I gotta love myspace metalcore. Found it in early 2020 and loved it ever since.

I did not hate metalcore. Especially metallic hardcore & early metalcore, Hatebreed, Earth Crisis -> Converge, Rorshach, Botch -> From Autumn to Ashes, Killswitch Engage, Bury Your Dead, early Trivium, God Forbid, Shadows Fall, Unearth. I hated some of the bands but there were quite a few I liked quite a bit. I did kinda dislike scene kids, which includes dating one or two. And I kinda hated deathcore bc those scene kids were not only worse but they thought that WAS real metal and any other metal was not, including actual death metal somehow. I, in fact, quite liked the period of the 00s where hardcore/punk, post-hardcore, screamo, alt rock, noise rock, nu-metal, industrial, thrash, groove, melodeath were all cross-polinating into a weird creative soup. But the poppier more radio-friendly side ultimately won out and took over. Most of the more 'metal' bands either became straight up heavy metal bands or died out, like my personal favorite God Forbid--and now Doc Coyle is making butt rock riffs for some radio rap-metal project that gets more streams but I do not enjoy. Then there's those bands like Attack/Attack and that kinda stuff which is the direction things went and that metalcore is still doing way too much of it today: pop-oriented EDM, pop rock/R&B clean vocals, butt rock melodies & hooks, repetitive percussive "djent" riffing (much of which ironically sounds absolutely nothing like Meshuggah, prog metal, math metal, mathcore, etc. it sounds like boring nu-metal riffs), I find that stuff largely unlistenable and a now-stale amalgamation of other generic rock styles. A lot of these bands sound like they're trying to make music that Drake could add a guest verse to. It is not remotely for me. And if you go to these kinds of shows today it looks like an office park just let everybody out of work. It's not like "a scene" anymore, which is almost worse. They dont even have band t-shirts like they dont want anyone to know, which is a big tell that you know what you're listening to is lame & unimpressive and it's a guilty pleasure. It didnt really stand the test of time in that way and it didnt really become part of the larger metal scene either, it became almost a wholly separate thing from metal that is much more for normies and pop oriented. Most heartbreakingly of all it has practically replaced mainstream rock music, so now watered-down pop-punk & butt rock inspired 'metal' or "metalcore" Linkin Park clones are the best you're gonna get. Maybe a decent prog rock/metal band that sounds like a contemporary Tool clone breaks through a bit. Now it's just a more easily consumable type of heavy music, a less threatening version of metal that takes all my least favorite musical trends of the last 2½ decades and combines them into something that is like the antithesis of my personal tastes.

Awesome video! I was a scene girl back in the day who hung around with a bunch of metal heads and I can remember the hate these kind of bands got, especially the lead singers. The only band that was "accepted" by them was JFAC.

As someone who grew up trying to be as “hardcore” as possible amongst my peers, I always pretended I didn’t like a lot of metalcore and junk so people wouldn’t make fun of me but now that I’m 28 I really just listen to anything I like without shame. Hardcore, rnb, rap, pop, punk, really anything. Hell, I’ve been bumping Melanie Martinez lately and it’s fun. It sucks I let others opinions stop me from enjoying so much art.

Great video, agree with most considerations, well thought

If there’s any content creators who’d be down for collaborative efforts, I think that could be a cool avenue to go down

What if you tried a That Metal Show or a podcast style approach with guests in the industry or other music youtubers relevant to the topics you want to cover. Fans of the channel get information they want from people and you, and you get to be a little more casual and have some fun too.

I was in high school when metalcore gained traction. I didn't like it at first. My best friend adopted the entire style: painted his nails, wore eyeliner, had THE hairstyle. He even had a scene gf. I feel like I missed out. I really started liking it about 10 years late.

The things initially hooked me to your channel was when you focused on short documentary style videos on bands/artists and genres. I think your strong points are your unique perspective, your opinions (quite opposite from mine usually), and your ability to make educational content interesting. This really showed in your documentary-style vids and also still in your interviews. To be extremely honest, I was disappointed in the last vid where you addressed these issues because I don't want to see you pander to your audience that just wants to hear sarcasm-filled tier lists. I remember earlier this year you mentioned that you wanted to focus on a more positive mindset and not to be an asshole (not a quote but it was something like that) and I was happy to hear that because while I think you can be funny, the endless sarcasm isn't one of your strong attributes (and I enjoy sarcasm). But when I watch your stream videos It's a lot of annoying comments and I tend to get bored of hearing the same "too busy fingerblasting to care about weedily deedily riffs" jokes. To me personally, that's why I won't watch all of your videos, but I do watch a good amount. You introduced me to a lot of artists that a really like now and helped me to open up to some new perspectives on music and that's the impact that you've had on me. I know you feel stuck in this cycle of making videos that you don't want to do for the money but I would like to see more deep-dive videos maybe even not in your comfort zone. I don't have a solution for you, but just wanted to let you know how I feel about your new vs. older content. I hope you can find a good balance of work and mental health.

Green jelly, not jello

TIL that Asking Alexandria are British. I'm British...I just always thought they were American 😂

This was a nice walk down memory lane for me lol

it was 100% the aesthetic. they wore girl jeans (before men jeans came in skinny) and had scene girl hair. they also had female fans which automatically means gay.

Ugh….the 12 year old girls and their “fan fiction” love stories about the band members. I can’t take a band seriously after that.

The part about people not liking bands because teenage girls like them. Had a former coworker who refused to listen to avenge sevenfold for that reason alone 😂

Metalcore tapped into the zeitgeist and actually had an audience. Can you really blame them for that? Would you, "real metal" guys, have stopped making horrendous Attack Attack style music at the cost of losing the scene girls / proto-neo-goth chicks?

Trainspotting, The Crow, The Queen Of The Damned, New Jack City, Natural Born Killers

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I can definitely see that the "boy band" factor played a big part in it. In high school my girlfriends and me were huge fans of metalcore. The music but of course we had posters from Oli Sykes and Andy Sixx on the wall. And we all know something isn't cool if girls like it. /s